A New Martial Plan?
May 31, 2007 at 8:30 am
This Progressive.org story, “Is Martial Law Coming?” gets this response from Extreme Mortman senior historian Richard Andrews:
Have you looked at the latest heavy-breathing Left obsession/urban myth?
All about some recent National Security Directive which the usual ignoramuses take as Evil W somehow giving himself power to declare an emergency, take over the entire U. S. Gov’t. in case of natural or mad-made disaster, and (this is the callers, not the Directive) cancel the ‘08 election so he can hold on to power.
I started hearing this called in to C-SPAN, et all, early this week, then received a link to Progressive.org from a lib cousin of mine.
Shades of the early ’70s, and Tricky Dick. (Recall, he HAD to cancel the election, because with Youth in Revolt, he couldn’t possibly win!) Of course, back then they had to use mimeographed flyers illegally posted on telephone poles.
Upon review, I find it to be a painfully bureaucratic missive about everyone getting their act together about having a comprehensive ‘continuity of government’ plan, when and if. The Dept. of Homeland Security has been putting out similar stuff for years. I had to write one for my tiny unit of MD State gov’t.
If we have such an event in DC, the POTUS certainly will have to coordinate routine matters for the other two Branches, if only because only military planes would be flying (remember?), he fills judicial vacancies & GSA operates the couthouses, and it would take forever to elect a new House leadership if they were all lost at once, especially if large numbers of Members were gone, too, as the Constitution requires that they can only be replaced by special election (Even the WashPost has nagged Congress on doing something about this last).
edh said,
May 31, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
Hold on to power? I get the feeling Jan 09 can’t come soon enough for GWB.
MikeJaskie said,
May 31, 2007 @ 3:01 pm
You would think that if these libs really believed this they would all be encourageing widespread gun ownership and fighting against any style of licensing or registration. Not to mention a general support for lower taxes out of a distrust for the gov.
I mean really, they accuse Bush&co of fear mongering when they talk about the dangers of Islamofascism as if the war on terror is some kind of vote earning scare tactic and then shoot this garbage all over the internet… last I checked, 3000+ killed by terrorism in the US, 0 killed by Bush&co.
Then again, nobody ever accused the left of resolve, militarily or thematic I suppose.
Richard said,
May 31, 2007 @ 3:12 pm
This isn’t even that interesting of a conspiracy. I heard the same theory being floated around near the end of the Reagan and Clinton presidencies. In the case of Clinton, it went something like, “Since we can’t figure out who won Bush v. Gore, Clinton will declare Martial Law until blah, blah blah…”
Rick C said,
May 31, 2007 @ 3:21 pm
There were rumors Bill was going to declare martial law and suspend elections before GWB was even in the race, Richard.
TallDave said,
May 31, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Ruby Ridge, Waco, the kidnapping at gunpoint of Elian Gonzales on behalf of a Communist dictatorship…
Tell me again which party’s domestic heavy-handedness I’m suppose to fear again?
At least Bush manages to find enemies overseas.
John Burgess said,
May 31, 2007 @ 3:32 pm
And so the paranoiacs of the left and right meet. Both, having gone completely around the bend, meet up on the darkside of political philosophy.
Somebody ought to do something about the growing (or at least growing more vocal) psychotics, but that, of course, would be parsed as part of the plot….
Ofc. Krupke said,
May 31, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Well, they also said Bush was going to cancel the ‘04 election. We see how well that worked out for them.
Monty said,
May 31, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
Political sentiments are best described using a color wheel, not a spectrum.
RTW said,
May 31, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
TallDave: Ruby Ridge was August 1992 (during the GHW Bush administration).
willis said,
May 31, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Bush did cancel the 04 election. He arranged for John Kerry to run as his opponent.
BertW said,
May 31, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
The ‘eminent journalist’ Bill Moyers reported that Bush planned to invoke a military coup if he lost the ‘04 election. Good thing he won, eh?
DaveG said,
May 31, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Ruby Ridge, Waco, the kidnapping at gunpoint of Elian Gonzales on behalf of a Communist dictatorship…
And more recently, Fairness Doctrine 2.0, by far the most dangerous…
Seerak said,
May 31, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Political sentiments are best described using a color wheel, not a spectrum.
That’s like saying that since a car’s axle got bent over double in a horrendous accident, the solution is to redefine axles as bent metal rods and attempting to redsign cars to accomodate the new “fact”.
If your spectrum’s “opposite extremes” keep converging, it’s because they aren’t really opposites… in other words, your spectrum is broken. Get a new one.
I suggest “Freedom” at one end and “tyranny” at the other.
kcom said,
May 31, 2007 @ 5:20 pm
Don’t forget, GWB was going to reinstitute the draft right after the 2004 election. It was a “secret” plan. It had to be true.
So far I haven’t yet heard the paranoic losers apologize for being monumentally wrong on that one either.
Jabba the Tutt said,
May 31, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
This reminds me of the militia movement circa ‘93. They had FEMA info on where gunowners were going to be incarcerated in massive camps. Just wait for the lib’s to start talking about Fort Campbell Kentucky and the black (actually dark olive) helicopters and then it’s on to the sticker on the back of traffic signs. They’re put there to provide directions for the UN army that’s going to invade the US.
bubba said,
May 31, 2007 @ 5:27 pm
I actually heard some wack-job call in to C-SPAN on Sunday morning and “reveal” this Bushco Conspiracy tid-bit to a couple of reporters from Roll Call (or The Hill) and the Washington Post.
The reporters, whose beats cover Capitol Hill, exchanged amused, if confused, glances and finally the RC reporter said (I paraphrase) “No, I actually cover these issues and I haven’t heard anything about this in my rounds about the Hill or read about it in any of the pages of our competitors either.”
To which the loon cried hysterically, “See no one is covering this, on one is covering this….” at which point I think C-SPAN cut the line while the reporters were smirking and shaking their heads in amazement.
A hilarious moment in live political commentary!
Perky said,
May 31, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
All about some recent National Security Directive which the usual ignoramuses take as Evil W somehow giving himself power to declare an emergency, take over the entire U. S. Gov’t. in case of natural or mad-made disaster, and (this is the callers, not the Directive) cancel the ‘08 election so he can hold on to power.
OK, weren’t these the same ignoramuses who crowed that Bush/feds didn’t act or take control of New Orleans - despite the fact that the ignoramus Governor wouldn’t give up the directive? McChimpeor indeed.
Democrats - progressives are just getting so stupid. The party sounds like it run by a bunch of schizoid 5th graders.
Dougger said,
May 31, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
Bush orchestrated the events of 9-11. Just look at the evidence: WTC7 brought down with a controlled demolition. WTC1&2 also brought down with explosives. The “terrorists” were Arabs employed by the government who knew exactly which floors to target to make it look like a terrorist attack. It has been proven that the Pentagon was attacked with a SLAM-ER missile. No wonder Bush was not surprised when told the “news” in front of those schoolchildren. Even that was planned to make him more sympathetic to the public.
Why do I bring all this up?
Because this manufactured perpetual crisis (the GWOT) was just the first step. It laid the groundwork for the eventual imposition of martial law and suspension of elections. Bush will stay in power because the people have gotten soft and don’t have it in them to resist these changes. Especially while the gov’t gravy train keeps on rolling. Why do you think Bush has outspent every President who has come before him?
Mike said,
May 31, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
“Why do I bring all this up?”
Because the voices in your head told you to? Just a guess.
(It’s probably your neighbors beaming microwaves at you. Tinfoil, dude, tinfoil!)
Livermoron said,
May 31, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
I wonder what they breathe on Dougger’s planet?
Seriously, you have to be pretty dumb to spout that nonsense and believe it is fact.
How very sad for you Dougger. I hope you have nothing sharper than a candle in your house.
Vexorg said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
If I recall corectly, the prevailing conspiracy theory back when Clinton was still in office was something to the effect of handing over control of the government to the UN on some specific date in 1999, after which the UN would appoint Clinton to be the new secretary general. As much as I hate to say it, Clinton might have actually represented an improvement in that category…
Cincinnatus said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/10/11/video-south-park-spoofs-truther-morons/
Californio said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
Perhaps, for safety, we could move all three branches of federal government to an industrial park somewhere in Northern Virginia, Maryland or New Jersey. Then we could throw up extensive air defenses around national treasures such as the Capital Building, Supreme Court building, White House, Smithsonian, etc. These our national treasures which we all must take extra-ordinary steps to protect and preserve - they are irreplacable!! As for Congress, et al, well, they are kinda, well, fungible. Oh, and throw in a couple of extra unarmed security guards for that industrial park.
The above statements are for the purposes of humor and are not to be construed as anything other than sophmoric and juvenile. [ ha ha! my tinfoil hat has defeated your black-helicopter beamed control waves, you secret-martial law loving, Bu$hCo Halliburton led Army-of-the-undead!!][hey, you can read my thoughts!!! Nooooooooo! Tinfoil…..hat…..defeated…..must….escape……………………………………………………………..]
Dougger said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
So, ad hominem attacks are the order of the day.
That is usually the case when you can not refute the evidence.
It is far easier to sell a coup as a revolution by paying off the citizenry.
“This government is taking pretty good care of us, no terrorist attacks here since 9-11, booming economy, lots of pork coming my way, so why not keep it?”
“New congress same as the old congress; Democracy has failed with these last elections; The New Bush Socialism will take care of us.”
Bush doesn’t have to take power, the nation is ready to give it to him.
As planned.
Livermoron said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:34 pm
Dougger, here is ad hominem: You are a moron. Do you actually believe that you have provided ‘evidence’? Show me it please. Your inability to put together a cogent and cohesive argument is on display for all to see. You know what? Just because someone calls you stupid doesn’t mean you aren’t.
buzz said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Ok Dougger, I’ll play. What evidence do you want refuted? Line it up. This will, of course, be evidence that hasnt been refuted a 100 times at a 100 different sites?
Smaack said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
My mum was convinced in the last days of the Clinton Administration that Clinton was going to bring in a UN army to seize control of America and preserve himself in power. Of course, she’s nuts too.
Tully said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Black helicopters! Secret UN concentration camps! Cats and dogs, living together…MASS HYSTERIA!
Dougger said,
May 31, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Here is the thing:
I don’t believe any of it.
Kudos to Mike and Buzz for tolerance, humor, and willingness to engage without insult.
Livermoron - you are mean spirited. That is exactly the stereotype that the “progressives” hang on all of us because of people like you.
DaveP. said,
May 31, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
Dougger… you’re right. It really IS a conspiracy. All of it.
And I’m a part.
And you’ve just outed yourself to me.
Stay where you are, Dougger. Don’t try to run…
Livermoron said,
May 31, 2007 @ 8:19 pm
Ha Ha, very funny, now claiming that it was a disingenuous remark. So, essentially your post added nothing to the discussion except to give voice to the nut jobs on the Left. What was the point? Don’t include me in your ‘us’ statement as you’ve already proven yoursef intellectually dishonest and a liar. I am neither.
Tim said,
May 31, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
Dougger:
Here’s a clue for you. Silverstein used the term “Pull” to describe a decision made. Conspiracy theorists say “Pull” is a term used by demolition experts. This is one of those many half truths conspiracy theorists use to convince the ignorant. “Pull” is used when they “Pull” a building away from another with cables during demolition. So, what brought down WTC7? Most likely getting hit by the perimeter columns during the Tower Collapse and it’s eventual conflaguration.
– WTC 7
Tim said,
May 31, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
As far as the famous quote by Silverstien, any critical non-baised reading renders the truth:
–Larry Silverstein
Let’s examine this, shall we?
“I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire”
I doubt that the fire department commander would say something like that about a “small, insubstantial fire…” like you conspiracy wackjobs like to claim.
“and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it”
Let’s be honest now and apply Occram’s Razor. What makes more sense? DId Silverstein say
or was he saying
Be honest now, we are watching…
Who made that decision? Look very closely. “They”. The FDNY made the decision. Does the FDNY demolish buildings with explosives? No. “Pull” to a fireman means to “pull out” of a situation too dangerous to be near.
Dougger said,
May 31, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
Livermoron -
I was not including you in “us”.
I was referring to “all of us” on the right who are not mean spirited.
There is no point.
I am just having fun.
I got my tin foil hat on and……oohhhh…. it feels soooooo goood.
Outing your ass was just a bonus.
That you did not notice that I switched to a conservative framing in my second post is truly funny.
Livermoron said,
May 31, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
You are delusional. See a professional.
brian said,
June 1, 2007 @ 10:12 am
Cassandra here,
The above is academic hyperventilating kerfluffle all around.
It’s both maddening and reaffirming to watch humanity, particularly the civilization thereof, undergoing the equivalent of a menstrual cycle as the body in its entirety prompts the flushing of both real and potential defectives.
The real TRUTH, err, is that before long, the frustration level will be raised to a point where the spastic colon types will prompt there own treatment by way of massive doses of high speed anti psychotic lead injection treatments.
The simple folk will arrive at a point where the overhead bills required to mange and care for the reality based crowd and the ever increasing stupidity they practice will come due.
Is there danger the treatment will result in the resulting conditions being worse than what was present to begin with?
To quote on well known wonk, “Heh”.
The breathless brilliant really don’t have time to be bothered by that reality.
Sue said,
June 1, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
Hey, there is someone still alive that remembers “tricky Dick” a.k.a. Dick Tuck. What a really
evil person he was. I remember him well even after 30+ years. I believe he is still alive and blogging, I think. He is part of the netroots.
richarda said,
June 1, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
“Tricky Dick” referred to Nixon, originated by his opponents in his successful 1950 California U. S. Senate campaign against Rep. Helen Gahagan Douglas (D-CA).
While Dick Tuck was renowned as a Democratic campaign ‘trickster’, the nick name was not applied to him, as he came along too late.