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	<title>Comments on: Charlie Wilson&#8217;s War, Aaron Sorkin&#8217;s Movie</title>
	<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/</link>
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		<title>by: will</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-55436</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Watching this protrayal of history through the prism of liberal filmmakers make me long for a wing of Hollywood to ermerge with a thirst for America's First Principles.    First, they have to sell Charley Wilson as a liberal so they can claim in his heriocs that he was really one of them.    Then they have to ignore altogether any mention of Ronald Reagan who overrode most of his staff, nearly all of the Congress, the then-current thinking of the CIA and even the Penatagon to fund the stinger missle for the Afgan Freedom Fighters.    A more accurate plot point would have been to have depicted all Charley's great efforts towards defeat of the invading Soviets as hopelessy lost until that lone penstroke by Reagan, and a parallel to many Reagan would do along the road to American victory of the cold war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Watching this protrayal of history through the prism of liberal filmmakers make me long for a wing of Hollywood to ermerge with a thirst for America&#8217;s First Principles.    First, they have to sell Charley Wilson as a liberal so they can claim in his heriocs that he was really one of them.    Then they have to ignore altogether any mention of Ronald Reagan who overrode most of his staff, nearly all of the Congress, the then-current thinking of the CIA and even the Penatagon to fund the stinger missle for the Afgan Freedom Fighters.    A more accurate plot point would have been to have depicted all Charley&#8217;s great efforts towards defeat of the invading Soviets as hopelessy lost until that lone penstroke by Reagan, and a parallel to many Reagan would do along the road to American victory of the cold war.
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		<title>by: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-54264</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So, a congressman runs US foreign policy -- no wonder Hollywood is making itself irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, a congressman runs US foreign policy &#8212; no wonder Hollywood is making itself irrelevant.
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		<title>by: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-54242</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Could a movie have possibly been more miscast? And of course - it was a liberal whose sister was the head of Planned Parenthood and Tip O'Neill when he wasn't robbing the coffers to pay for the Big Dig who brought down the USSR - certainly not that B-movie actor as you might have heard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could a movie have possibly been more miscast? And of course - it was a liberal whose sister was the head of Planned Parenthood and Tip O&#8217;Neill when he wasn&#8217;t robbing the coffers to pay for the Big Dig who brought down the USSR - certainly not that B-movie actor as you might have heard
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		<title>by: John Bono</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-54119</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 16:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Am I the only person here who finds it amazing that it only took 16 years after Communism was consigned to the dustbin of history for Hollywood to finally make a movie where the Commies were unambiguously the bad guys?  No, Red Dawn doesn't count.  Remember, the Nicarauguan Commie was a sympathetic character.  Not only that, how many movies/tv series etc were made where the we had to get along with the Russkies, that the cold war was a giant misunderstanding, etc.  

It is nice that Hollyweird made a movie where the Russians were the bad guys.  However, this movie was made about 20 years after everyone else had already figured that out.

At this rate, about 20 years after the Iranians overthrow the ayatollahs and hang Ahmadinejad from the nearest lamp post, maybe we'll get a movie showing jihadis as they really are too, of course, by that time, we'll get  a Michael Moore movie about how much of a paradise it is to live in North Korea, complete with kite flying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only person here who finds it amazing that it only took 16 years after Communism was consigned to the dustbin of history for Hollywood to finally make a movie where the Commies were unambiguously the bad guys?  No, Red Dawn doesn&#8217;t count.  Remember, the Nicarauguan Commie was a sympathetic character.  Not only that, how many movies/tv series etc were made where the we had to get along with the Russkies, that the cold war was a giant misunderstanding, etc.  </p>
<p>It is nice that Hollyweird made a movie where the Russians were the bad guys.  However, this movie was made about 20 years after everyone else had already figured that out.</p>
<p>At this rate, about 20 years after the Iranians overthrow the ayatollahs and hang Ahmadinejad from the nearest lamp post, maybe we&#8217;ll get a movie showing jihadis as they really are too, of course, by that time, we&#8217;ll get  a Michael Moore movie about how much of a paradise it is to live in North Korea, complete with kite flying.
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		<title>by: Charles Ganske</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-54024</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 05:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This was a very good movie showing the war from the Soviet side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very good movie showing the war from the Soviet side.
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		<title>by: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-54018</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 04:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Havent seen the movie.
But have read the book.  
What I found there was off the wall, but true
in those parts I had direct knowledge of.
Remember the Afghans, with our help
lost hundreds of thousands in that war
against the Soviets, defeated the USSR
and won us the Cold War.
We owe them thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Havent seen the movie.<br />
But have read the book.<br />
What I found there was off the wall, but true<br />
in those parts I had direct knowledge of.<br />
Remember the Afghans, with our help<br />
lost hundreds of thousands in that war<br />
against the Soviets, defeated the USSR<br />
and won us the Cold War.<br />
We owe them thanks.
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		<title>by: joel mackey</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-54003</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Charlie Wilson was a yellow dog democrat, or a jfk democrat if you like, in the zell miller mold. not a libertarian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie Wilson was a yellow dog democrat, or a jfk democrat if you like, in the zell miller mold. not a libertarian.
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		<title>by: MKO</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53988</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I love Extreme Mortman's turn into a movie critic!</description>
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		<title>by: Alec</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53984</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>He's right? You have got to be kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s right? You have got to be kidding.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53968</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&amp;#62;&amp;#62;&amp;#62; If we would have funded the schools instead of the weapons, the Russians would still be there. 

Succinctly put.  The reason we sent guns and not books is because books wouldn't have defeated the Soviets.  And if we had built schools after the Soviets left, all it would have meant is that the Taliban had the nicest Madrassas on the continent courtesy of the US taxpayers.

I reject the notion that we have to bribe every nation on earth with social programs in order for them to leave us alone.  The threat that we will come there and kill them if they don't is sufficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt; If we would have funded the schools instead of the weapons, the Russians would still be there. </p>
<p>Succinctly put.  The reason we sent guns and not books is because books wouldn&#8217;t have defeated the Soviets.  And if we had built schools after the Soviets left, all it would have meant is that the Taliban had the nicest Madrassas on the continent courtesy of the US taxpayers.</p>
<p>I reject the notion that we have to bribe every nation on earth with social programs in order for them to leave us alone.  The threat that we will come there and kill them if they don&#8217;t is sufficient.
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		<title>by: Ken Hahn</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53965</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Please explain how we could have funded schools in Soviet controlled Afghanistan. Or id you pour more money into the failed teacher union run schools here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please explain how we could have funded schools in Soviet controlled Afghanistan. Or id you pour more money into the failed teacher union run schools here?
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		<title>by: Tom W.</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53960</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We've been funding the schools in South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Detroit, the Bronx, East Philadelphia, Miami, New Orleans, etc., for decades. 

And look how peace, prosperity, love, and tolerance have broken out in those places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been funding the schools in South Central Los Angeles, Compton, Detroit, the Bronx, East Philadelphia, Miami, New Orleans, etc., for decades. </p>
<p>And look how peace, prosperity, love, and tolerance have broken out in those places.
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		<title>by: Pixelkiller</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53958</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The movie is never as good as the book. Not ever! If you really want to know what was happening in Afganistan then, (during and beneath Iran-contra), read the GD book! The book is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The movie is never as good as the book. Not ever! If you really want to know what was happening in Afganistan then, (during and beneath Iran-contra), read the GD book! The book is good.
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		<title>by: jum1801</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53950</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Fund the schools&quot;? Please - we were each the enemy of the other's enemy; and we both knew it. But let's suppose that could have happened - exactly who was controlling funding from sometime around the extinction of the dinosaurs until 1994? I don't even need to say it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Fund the schools&#8221;? Please - we were each the enemy of the other&#8217;s enemy; and we both knew it. But let&#8217;s suppose that could have happened - exactly who was controlling funding from sometime around the extinction of the dinosaurs until 1994? I don&#8217;t even need to say it.
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		<title>by: Ed</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Mujahedeen we supported in the 80's did not become the Taliban.  After the Russians left, the various Mujahedeen groups we sponsored began fighting among themselves for power.  Afghanistan transitioned into civil war.  Pakistan wanted to end the chaos on their border, so they sponsored a political movement started by madrassa students from Pakistan.  That movement became the Taliban.  The Taliban came into Afghanistan, allied with some Mujahedeen groups,  and partially defeated the other groups.  The remaining Mujahedeen groups formed a competing alliance against the Taliban and retained control of about 25% of the country.  Those Mujahedeen, called the Northern Alliance, are the forces we teamed up with after 911 to defeat the Taliban.  Read History.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mujahedeen we supported in the 80&#8217;s did not become the Taliban.  After the Russians left, the various Mujahedeen groups we sponsored began fighting among themselves for power.  Afghanistan transitioned into civil war.  Pakistan wanted to end the chaos on their border, so they sponsored a political movement started by madrassa students from Pakistan.  That movement became the Taliban.  The Taliban came into Afghanistan, allied with some Mujahedeen groups,  and partially defeated the other groups.  The remaining Mujahedeen groups formed a competing alliance against the Taliban and retained control of about 25% of the country.  Those Mujahedeen, called the Northern Alliance, are the forces we teamed up with after 911 to defeat the Taliban.  Read History.
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		<title>by: epobirs</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Preventing the Taliban or similar faction from taking over Afghanistan in post-Soviet era would have been impossible. Just in terms of investment it would have been impossible to sell to the US electorate. Awareness of what had happened in Afghanistan and the role it played in breaking the Soviets was pretty minimal and still is among those who don't actively follow international events. I remember in the days following 9/11 a remarkable number of people appeared to be hearing there was such a thing as the Taliban for the first time. Today, much of the public doesn't know enough of recent history to know that this movie has a grounding in real events.

So try to imagine, during the 1992 presidential campaign, candidates trying to tell the public we had to pump some big bucks into Afghanistan, along with a major military commitment. Without some serious firepower support anyone we sent to try to oppose the Taliban via education would have been killed off in short order.

Such has always been the way of things. Victory has followup costs but the voters are rarely willing to pay. The reconstruction of Europe and Japan following WWII is one of the rare times the victors got it right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preventing the Taliban or similar faction from taking over Afghanistan in post-Soviet era would have been impossible. Just in terms of investment it would have been impossible to sell to the US electorate. Awareness of what had happened in Afghanistan and the role it played in breaking the Soviets was pretty minimal and still is among those who don&#8217;t actively follow international events. I remember in the days following 9/11 a remarkable number of people appeared to be hearing there was such a thing as the Taliban for the first time. Today, much of the public doesn&#8217;t know enough of recent history to know that this movie has a grounding in real events.</p>
<p>So try to imagine, during the 1992 presidential campaign, candidates trying to tell the public we had to pump some big bucks into Afghanistan, along with a major military commitment. Without some serious firepower support anyone we sent to try to oppose the Taliban via education would have been killed off in short order.</p>
<p>Such has always been the way of things. Victory has followup costs but the voters are rarely willing to pay. The reconstruction of Europe and Japan following WWII is one of the rare times the victors got it right.
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		<title>by: Hubert Goldwater</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/terrorism/charlie-wilsons-war-aaron-sorkins-movie/#comment-53942</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I also viewed a preview of Charley Wilson's War and liked it.  Sorkin is a little tiresome, label-happy and shallow but Hanks is wonderful, Hoffman was vastly entertaining and Julia Roberts was delightful.  

Early in the movie there is a superfluous dig at the Christian right to establish Wilson's liberal bona fides but Sorkin seems to get most of it our his system then.  There is a dig at Stansfield Turner but not a single mention of Jimmy Carter and the foreign policy flaccidity that led to the Soviet invasion of Afganistan.  The passivity of the intelligence and diplomatic establishment Sorkin tries to conflate with Ronald Reagan (a neat mental trick).  

Hoffman's character as a tough real spy in conflict with  the namby pamby bureaucrats is reminiscent of how much Hollywood liberals admire anti-ACLU, anti-Miranda cops as fictional characters but despise them in reality.  It was also amazing to see the Soviets portrayed as bad guys without nuance, qualification or wordy moral equivalence.  Liberals like Sorkin did not do that while that war was going on.  Better late than never.

It is a very solidly enjoyable flick.  I hope it is successful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also viewed a preview of Charley Wilson&#8217;s War and liked it.  Sorkin is a little tiresome, label-happy and shallow but Hanks is wonderful, Hoffman was vastly entertaining and Julia Roberts was delightful.  </p>
<p>Early in the movie there is a superfluous dig at the Christian right to establish Wilson&#8217;s liberal bona fides but Sorkin seems to get most of it our his system then.  There is a dig at Stansfield Turner but not a single mention of Jimmy Carter and the foreign policy flaccidity that led to the Soviet invasion of Afganistan.  The passivity of the intelligence and diplomatic establishment Sorkin tries to conflate with Ronald Reagan (a neat mental trick).  </p>
<p>Hoffman&#8217;s character as a tough real spy in conflict with  the namby pamby bureaucrats is reminiscent of how much Hollywood liberals admire anti-ACLU, anti-Miranda cops as fictional characters but despise them in reality.  It was also amazing to see the Soviets portrayed as bad guys without nuance, qualification or wordy moral equivalence.  Liberals like Sorkin did not do that while that war was going on.  Better late than never.</p>
<p>It is a very solidly enjoyable flick.  I hope it is successful.
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		<title>by: Becky</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for saving me $6.50.  I go to movies to see action or be uplifted.  I'll go to a church if I want someone to preach at me.</description>
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		<title>by: anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So the rise of the Taliban was the fault of a Democrat, and &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; Ronald Reagan and/or the C.I.A.?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the rise of the Taliban was the fault of a Democrat, and <i>not</i> Ronald Reagan and/or the C.I.A.?
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		<title>by: Glenn Kenny</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 19:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You can't blame Sorkin for the music—writers don't have any say as to what the music sounds like, how much of it is used, or where. That's between the director—who in this case is Mike Nichols—and the composer, James Newton Howard.</description>
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