Comments on: Fresh, Like A Glass Of Freshly-Squeezed Prune Juice http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/ Just When You Thought it was Safe to Take Politics Seriously Again Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:46:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: Chris Sherman http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6838 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 20:33:35 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6838 Wasn't Ambassador April Glaspie, the one who told Saddam that America wasn't "concerned" with Arab vs. Arab conflicts prior to his invasion of Kuwait, in the employ of SecState James Baker? Why is he credible? Why did we abandon Iraq to Saddam? Read Chris Hitchens' latest column. Read Gen. Georges Sada's book, Saddams Secrets. Sada reveals that he was virtually the only individual in the Iraq military prior to the first gulf war who believed America was really going to attack, because of what Glaspie said. He addresses as well the minor matter of what happened to Saddams nuke program. The Big Lie: Bush lied. Wasn’t Ambassador April Glaspie, the one who told Saddam that America wasn’t “concerned” with Arab vs. Arab conflicts prior to his invasion of Kuwait, in the employ of SecState James Baker?

Why is he credible? Why did we abandon Iraq to Saddam?

Read Chris Hitchens’ latest column.
Read Gen. Georges Sada’s book, Saddams Secrets.
Sada reveals that he was virtually the only individual in the Iraq military prior to the first gulf war who believed America was really going to attack, because of what Glaspie said. He addresses as well the minor matter of what happened to Saddams nuke program. The Big Lie: Bush lied.

]]> by: John N. http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6807 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:15:31 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6807 The administration is not "outsourcing its foreign policy," as Dave Sherman has stated. The Iraq Study Group was created by Congress as an advisory board, and the administration has cooperated with it by giving information and testimony, but the administration has never agreed to follow any recommendations the Iraq Study Group comes up with. I for one would like to see less partisanship in our foreign policy. The administration is not “outsourcing its foreign policy,” as Dave Sherman has stated. The Iraq Study Group was created by Congress as an advisory board, and the administration has cooperated with it by giving information and testimony, but the administration has never agreed to follow any recommendations the Iraq Study Group comes up with. I for one would like to see less partisanship in our foreign policy.

]]> by: Dudley Smith http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6804 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:08:09 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6804 So Bush has been criticized for the last 4 years for not listening to dissenting viewpoints and for stubbornly insisting on "staying the course." Now that he does exactly what all the critics have asked for, they pull a 180 and now he's "outsourcing" his foreign policy. It must be nice to live in world where the only internal logic and consistency that matters is finding a way to blame Bush. So Bush has been criticized for the last 4 years for not listening to dissenting viewpoints and for stubbornly insisting on “staying the course.” Now that he does exactly what all the critics have asked for, they pull a 180 and now he’s “outsourcing” his foreign policy. It must be nice to live in world where the only internal logic and consistency that matters is finding a way to blame Bush.

]]> by: David Sherman http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6803 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:59:19 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6803 TallDave is wrong. This thread has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein, Israel, or suicide bombers. For the record, yes Saddam Hussein was a horrible mass-murderng dictator, yes Israel deserves all of the support that U.S. has provided, and yes suicide bombers are bad guys. Now, what does that have to do with the president outsourcing our foreign policy? TallDave- when you have no argument to stand on its easy to just expand the scope of the argument until you hit on something that no one can argue with. TallDave is wrong. This thread has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein, Israel, or suicide bombers. For the record, yes Saddam Hussein was a horrible mass-murderng dictator, yes Israel deserves all of the support that U.S. has provided, and yes suicide bombers are bad guys. Now, what does that have to do with the president outsourcing our foreign policy? TallDave- when you have no argument to stand on its easy to just expand the scope of the argument until you hit on something that no one can argue with.

]]> by: ajacksonian http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6801 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:53:26 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6801 Not only did such fine luminaries create the problems, but they are unable to actually find solutions to them and seek Cold War Nostrums to solve them. Can we, finally, let go of the 20th century now? Did a bit more on the 'Realists in Diplomacy' here: http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2006/11/end-of-unreal-realists.html Not only did such fine luminaries create the problems, but they are unable to actually find solutions to them and seek Cold War Nostrums to solve them.

Can we, finally, let go of the 20th century now?

Did a bit more on the ‘Realists in Diplomacy’ here: http://ajacksonian.blogspot.com/2006/11/end-of-unreal-realists.html

]]> by: TallDave http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6799 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:43:06 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6799 Sherman is right. If only Bush had left the virulently hostile Saddam in place, then Iraqis would still have their beloved mass-murdering dictator killing 83,000 people a year instead of this awful mess of a free press, free elections, the right to organize women's rights groups and other political organzations, and a much lower death rate than the Saddam era. And if Saddam wanted to block WMD inspections, well frankly that was none of our business, even if he did sign a treaty in 1991 agreeing to prove he had eliminated all such weapons. Plus, a hostile Iraq would help keep those snobby Israelis in their place. Nothing like a $25,000-a-suicide-bombing donater to keep those Jews humble. Sherman is right. If only Bush had left the virulently hostile Saddam in place, then Iraqis would still have their beloved mass-murdering dictator killing 83,000 people a year instead of this awful mess of a free press, free elections, the right to organize women’s rights groups and other political organzations, and a much lower death rate than the Saddam era. And if Saddam wanted to block WMD inspections, well frankly that was none of our business, even if he did sign a treaty in 1991 agreeing to prove he had eliminated all such weapons.

Plus, a hostile Iraq would help keep those snobby Israelis in their place. Nothing like a $25,000-a-suicide-bombing donater to keep those Jews humble.

]]> by: rosignol http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6797 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:41:44 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6797 <i>wait a sec… arent these the guys who caused all the problems in the first place?????</i> That would be the British, French, and Ottomans. Baker &#38; Co's contribution to the overall mess is roughly comparable to the icing on a cake. It may be the most visible component, but it's not nearly the entire thing. wait a sec… arent these the guys who caused all the problems in the first place?????

That would be the British, French, and Ottomans.

Baker & Co’s contribution to the overall mess is roughly comparable to the icing on a cake. It may be the most visible component, but it’s not nearly the entire thing.

]]> by: Steve Rosenbach http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6795 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:26:26 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6795 &#62;&#62;Imagine Franklin Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln forming a “study group” >>Imagine Franklin Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln forming a “study group”

]]> by: John N. http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6792 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 15:20:40 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6792 Actually, Chuck Robb is the spring chicken, born in 1938. But your point is well taken. Actually, Chuck Robb is the spring chicken, born in 1938. But your point is well taken.

]]> by: Dom Telay http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6791 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:48:30 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6791 wait a sec... arent these the guys who caused all the problems in the first place????? wait a sec… arent these the guys who caused all the problems in the first place?????

]]> by: David Sherman http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6790 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:43:41 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/iraq/fresh-like-a-glass-of-freshly-squeezed-prune-juice/#comment-6790 Your point is well taken. Most of these "fresh eyes" are old and tired. The larger point to be made about the study group is that this administration has decided to outsource its foreign policy - thereby finding someone else to blame for it's tragic mistakes and awful decisions. Imagine Franklin Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln forming a "study group" The president should stand up and take responsibility for making the world less safe than it was before the war. Your point is well taken. Most of these “fresh eyes” are old and tired.

The larger point to be made about the study group is that this administration has decided to outsource its foreign policy - thereby finding someone else to blame for it’s tragic mistakes and awful decisions. Imagine Franklin Roosevelt or Abraham Lincoln forming a “study group”

The president should stand up and take responsibility for making the world less safe than it was before the war.

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