Comments on: Working The Pimp

by: Frank Lobo

Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:14:44 +0000

First- Chelsea is a TWENTY-SEVEN year old “child”. Hardly a doe-eyed innocent.
Second- A few weeks ago, at a Clinton fundraiser, you could WIN A DINNER WITH CELSEA.

If one could PAY MONEY to enjoy SPENDING TIME with the senator’s daughter, I’d call that pimping.

by: John Kinstle

Mon, 11 Feb 2008 04:02:30 +0000

Swift boating has become the new Tet.

by: M. Simon

Mon, 11 Feb 2008 02:06:18 +0000

Swiftboating - Proving Christmas in Cambodia was a fabrication.

As in: John Kerry was swiftboated when he said he spent Christmas in Cambodia.

by: Jack Denver

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:22:34 +0000

I think the Vichy analogy is apt - the ideal of the Clinton camp would be to preserve MSNBC as a nominally independent organization on paper (so its statements would retain some credibility with the public in the way that a campaign commercial doesn’t) while at the same time so emasculating the network with fear that they didn’t dare say anything derogatory. This fits the Vichy situation quite well.

You could argue that ANY campaign would like to do the same, but Hillary is just better at this sort of thing than anyone else.

I have to say, you ain’t seen nothing yet - once Hillary has her hands on the actual levers of power, what happened to Schuster will seem like a cake walk.

by: william

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 19:11:30 +0000

It would be salacious for Bush to pimp out his daughters. It is obscene for the Clintons to pimp out their daughter…….can the term swift-boating fairly be applied to the Democrats publicizing the testimony of a man who thought that Bush elder had panicked and bailed out of his plane too early. The incident happened forty years earlier and the man, who was travelling in another plain could not possibly make a fair assessment of the damage to Bush’s plane.

by: Exurban Jon

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:57:26 +0000

Chelsea is in her late 20s and actively campaigning in a presidential election. Exactly how long is she to be considered untouchable by the press as the poor child of an ex-President?

If that’s the standard, then MSNBC must immediately stop attacking Dubya. After all, he’s just George H.W. Bush’s little kid.

by: Jason

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:53:47 +0000

There is a difference between saying that you’re pimping out your general and saying that you’re pimping out your daughter. It’s an uglier thing to say about your daughter. It’s like the difference between saying “you’re brother’s ugly” and saying “you’re mother’s ugly”. Basically the same insult but one feels worse.

And look, I agree that the Clinton’s are scheming and that NBC bends too much to them. CNN bends too much to Obama - they got rid of Carville and Begala. The “Vichy” thing is pretty over the top. In calling NBC “Vichy” you are analogizing the Clintons to the Nazi regime. I’m not going to vote for her, but come on.

by: TallDave

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:43:58 +0000

Of course, the real “dirty politics” of 2004 were the National Guard memos that Democrats forged and Dan Rather put on TV despite the absence of a credible source and the obviousness of the crude forgeries.

It’s very strange that “swift boating” became the malediction instead of, say, “Rathering.”

by: TallDave

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:38:55 +0000

“All politics are dirty…recall swift boating”

Yes, because it’s “dirty” for 255 military veterans to express their opinion of a presidential candidate they served with, or point out that he said awful things about them after getting himself sent home early on a technicality.

Vichy is an accurate analogy for what’s going on here. MSNBC has said much, much nastier things about Republicans — and about our military people — with no consequence. The “pimping” slur itself was used by Olbermann in relation to General David Petraeus with nary a peep from MSNBC brass.

by: Insufficiently Sensitive

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:38:29 +0000

To continue: the dirtiest politics of 2004 was committed by the MSM, which asserted with no investigation nor evidence that John Kerry’s behavior was contrary to the documented claims of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. So successful at this mendacious ‘reporting’ was the MSM that the term ’swift boating’ has been reversed in an Orwellian triumph to mean an attack of falsehoods. But Kerry was the MSM candidate, and they stooged for him one and all, and maliciously smeared the Swift Boat Veterans instead of checking their reports.

by: Insufficiently Sensitive

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:31:51 +0000

All politics are dirty…recall swift boating, a new term in our language

by: david still

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:15:10 +0000

perhaps it is time to grow up.To call the station Vichy is probably worse than anything you are attempting to demonstrates offensive or unoffensive…can you simply make a case without the vituperation?
Grow up? sure. All politics are dirty…recall swift boating, a new term in our language…and on and on throughout every campaigning.
What we now have is a shift away from rdio and print media to TV and net stuff so now you pick and choose what is annoying to you.

If you can’t stand the heat etc etc

by: David Thomson

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:06:09 +0000

“…anyone wondering whether that includes saying that Jeri Thompson “works the pole”?

Joe Scarborough was taken out of context. He had an earlier guest on his program who exercised with a pole. This is what he was referring to.

by: edh

Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:23:16 +0000

The Republican candidates weren’t treated any better, but didn’t complain.

Hillary’s campaign must have seen the “locker room, on-air atmosphere” treatment given Republicans and thought to act pre-emptvely before PMSNBC hosts could try to throw the thing to Obama.

Video below:
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/television/chris_keith_continue_to_laugh_at_gop_speeches_75384.asp