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	<title>Comments on: Send Moyers, Guns, And Money</title>
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		<title>by: boure</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28614</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 01:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I blame it on That Girl.</description>
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		<title>by: Bandit</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28555</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Did Moyers just discover TV was about ratings? Oh yeah - he works at PBS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Moyers just discover TV was about ratings? Oh yeah - he works at PBS.
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		<title>by: Jenn Mikosz</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28512</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 09:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Donahue always used to say, &quot;But somewhere there's a Poor Black Woman out there not getting an opportunity because of the White Guys who run the industry... Etc &quot;

Turns out he was right, and that Poor Black Woman was Oprah Winfrey.  And Oprah ate his lunch in every TV market in America.  And Donahue refused to be photographed with her.  Hah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donahue always used to say, &#8220;But somewhere there&#8217;s a Poor Black Woman out there not getting an opportunity because of the White Guys who run the industry&#8230; Etc &#8221;</p>
<p>Turns out he was right, and that Poor Black Woman was Oprah Winfrey.  And Oprah ate his lunch in every TV market in America.  And Donahue refused to be photographed with her.  Hah!
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		<title>by: rastajenk</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28476</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My favorite pre-war Donohue moment was when Susan Sarandon was on, and she said something about how her children came home from school and were scared that they'd have to move out of the country if they didn't support the war.

Instead of asking why she let her children believe such nonsense, he just gave his patented shrug and smirk that says, &quot;Whaddya gonna do? It's a shame.&quot; I knew then his show was doomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite pre-war Donohue moment was when Susan Sarandon was on, and she said something about how her children came home from school and were scared that they&#8217;d have to move out of the country if they didn&#8217;t support the war.</p>
<p>Instead of asking why she let her children believe such nonsense, he just gave his patented shrug and smirk that says, &#8220;Whaddya gonna do? It&#8217;s a shame.&#8221; I knew then his show was doomed.
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		<title>by: AST</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28465</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>If Bill Moyers is your chosen voice in the media, you've got problems.  He used to be the man who introduced us to Joseph Campbell and the power of myths.  Now he stepped into the myths of the anti-war left and has become just another avatar, along with Jimmy Carter, for the empty ideology that nearly destroyed the Democratic Party 30 to 40 years ago, and handed Iran to the mullarchy that threatens us all today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Bill Moyers is your chosen voice in the media, you&#8217;ve got problems.  He used to be the man who introduced us to Joseph Campbell and the power of myths.  Now he stepped into the myths of the anti-war left and has become just another avatar, along with Jimmy Carter, for the empty ideology that nearly destroyed the Democratic Party 30 to 40 years ago, and handed Iran to the mullarchy that threatens us all today.
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		<title>by: Tman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 01:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wouldn't mind if Moyers would go back to interviewing the Joseph Campbell's of the world. Talking about Jesus and Luke Skywalker and Superman together somehow makes him seem less crazy than this garbage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t mind if Moyers would go back to interviewing the Joseph Campbell&#8217;s of the world. Talking about Jesus and Luke Skywalker and Superman together somehow makes him seem less crazy than this garbage.
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		<title>by: clazy</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28464</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, Mister Snitch, but if I expressed my feelings freely in this forum, my comment would get deleted. Imagine me like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAOFPSY4H20
but 30 years older....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Mister Snitch, but if I expressed my feelings freely in this forum, my comment would get deleted. Imagine me like this<br />
<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAOFPSY4H20' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAOFPSY4H20</a><br />
but 30 years older&#8230;.
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		<title>by: Assistant Village Idiot</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28463</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Junyo, I remember the early Donahue like that.  As time went on, however, Phil needed to keep ratings, and so brought on Frederick's of Hollywood, appeared in a skirt, etc.  There wasn't a lot of intellectual meet on the bones at the end.

P from P - an exceptional observation.  If it ever comes back around to you in conversation, it will be because I started using it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Junyo, I remember the early Donahue like that.  As time went on, however, Phil needed to keep ratings, and so brought on Frederick&#8217;s of Hollywood, appeared in a skirt, etc.  There wasn&#8217;t a lot of intellectual meet on the bones at the end.</p>
<p>P from P - an exceptional observation.  If it ever comes back around to you in conversation, it will be because I started using it.
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		<title>by: hedonist</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 23:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The world has changed but the positions of people like Moyers and Donohue have not.  Is there a name in English for a Colonel Blimp of the left?  There will never be a Truth and Reconciliation panel in Algiers. N Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, post Shah Iran, Zimbabwe et alia.  I understand that Pinochet and the Argentinian generals were bad men, but their body count is nothing compared to those anti Western revolutionaries. I have never heard a person of the left wax indignant about the crimes in those countries or venture a regret for his support of their ideology.  Selective indignation is a form of bigotry.  The left does not hate the same people that the KKK hates, but they hate in the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world has changed but the positions of people like Moyers and Donohue have not.  Is there a name in English for a Colonel Blimp of the left?  There will never be a Truth and Reconciliation panel in Algiers. N Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, post Shah Iran, Zimbabwe et alia.  I understand that Pinochet and the Argentinian generals were bad men, but their body count is nothing compared to those anti Western revolutionaries. I have never heard a person of the left wax indignant about the crimes in those countries or venture a regret for his support of their ideology.  Selective indignation is a form of bigotry.  The left does not hate the same people that the KKK hates, but they hate in the same way.
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		<title>by: Mister Snitch!</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28456</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Moyers is a liar, and if I may be so crude, Tom Shales licks his boot.&quot;

Aw, c'mon, Clazy. You can be cruder than that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moyers is a liar, and if I may be so crude, Tom Shales licks his boot.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aw, c&#8217;mon, Clazy. You can be cruder than that!
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		<title>by: clazy</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28455</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>By the way, that question about praying looks like the single gimme, and if you look at the transcript it seems to have been drawn from a reporter, &quot;April&quot;, who was surprised to be called upon, as if Bush wanted a break and thought, Hey, there's April, she'll ask me something nice. Look: 

THE PRESIDENT: April. Did you have a question, or did I call upon you cold? 

Q Oh, I have a question. (Laughter.) 

THE PRESIDENT: Okay. I'm sure you do have a question. 

Q Mr. President, as the nation is at odds over war, with many organizations like the Congressional Black Caucus pushing for continued diplomacy through the U.N., how is your faith guiding you? And what should you tell America - well, what should America do, collectively, as you instructed before 9/11? Should it be &quot;pray?&quot; Because you're saying, let's continue the war on terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, that question about praying looks like the single gimme, and if you look at the transcript it seems to have been drawn from a reporter, &#8220;April&#8221;, who was surprised to be called upon, as if Bush wanted a break and thought, Hey, there&#8217;s April, she&#8217;ll ask me something nice. Look: </p>
<p>THE PRESIDENT: April. Did you have a question, or did I call upon you cold? </p>
<p>Q Oh, I have a question. (Laughter.) </p>
<p>THE PRESIDENT: Okay. I&#8217;m sure you do have a question. </p>
<p>Q Mr. President, as the nation is at odds over war, with many organizations like the Congressional Black Caucus pushing for continued diplomacy through the U.N., how is your faith guiding you? And what should you tell America - well, what should America do, collectively, as you instructed before 9/11? Should it be &#8220;pray?&#8221; Because you&#8217;re saying, let&#8217;s continue the war on terror.
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		<title>by: PersonFromPorlock</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Inspector:

&quot;I think they’ve admitted that things were a little unpleasant in SE Asia for some months after “liberation”. Fortunately....&quot;

...it was about then that, purely coincidentally, the media rediscovered the Nazi Holocaust and were too busy with it, for the next ten years or so, to pay much attention to ongoing butcheries. &quot;Never again,&quot; it turned out, was the perfect chant to drown out the screaming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inspector:</p>
<p>&#8220;I think they’ve admitted that things were a little unpleasant in SE Asia for some months after “liberation”. Fortunately&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230;it was about then that, purely coincidentally, the media rediscovered the Nazi Holocaust and were too busy with it, for the next ten years or so, to pay much attention to ongoing butcheries. &#8220;Never again,&#8221; it turned out, was the perfect chant to drown out the screaming.
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		<title>by: clazy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>In his &quot;review&quot; of Moyer's latest polemic, Shales calls a Presidential press conference from March 6, 2003 &quot;Exhibit A&quot; in the case demonstrating that the press actively sold the war. 

Shales: &quot;Exhibit A -- the first event recalled in this report -- is a news conference by President Bush on March 6, 2003, which Moyers says is two weeks before Bush 'will order America to war.'The press conference was a sham, with Bush calling only on 'friendly' reporters who'd ask friendly questions. The corker was this scorching investigative query: 'Mr. President, how is your faith guiding you?'&quot;

We may as well save on terminology and call this Exhibit A in the case to prove Moyers is a propagandist and Shales is a lazy fool. I looked up the press conference and found that the first five questions consisted of such friendly prompts as:

--&quot;What harm would it do to give Saddam a final ultimatum?&quot; (Ron Fournier)
--&quot;If North Korea restarts their plutonium plant, will that change your thinking about how to handle this crisis, or are you resigned to North Korea becoming a nuclear power?&quot; (Steve, no last name)
--&quot;If all these nations, all of them our normal allies, have access to the same intelligence information, why is it that they are reluctant to think that the threat is so real, so imminent that we need to move to the brink of war now?&quot; (Dick, no last name)
--&quot;During the recent demonstrations, many of the protestors suggested that the U.S. was a threat to peace, which prompted you to wonder out loud why they didn't see Saddam Hussein as a threat to peace. I wonder why you think so many people around the world take a different view of the threat that Saddam Hussein poses than you and your allies.&quot; (Jim Angle)
--&quot;How would - sir, how would you answer your critics who say that they think this is somehow personal? As Senator Kennedy put it tonight, he said your fixation with Saddam Hussein is making the world a more dangerous place.&quot; (John King)

Moyers is a liar, and if I may be so crude, Tom Shales licks his boot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his &#8220;review&#8221; of Moyer&#8217;s latest polemic, Shales calls a Presidential press conference from March 6, 2003 &#8220;Exhibit A&#8221; in the case demonstrating that the press actively sold the war. </p>
<p>Shales: &#8220;Exhibit A &#8212; the first event recalled in this report &#8212; is a news conference by President Bush on March 6, 2003, which Moyers says is two weeks before Bush &#8216;will order America to war.&#8217;The press conference was a sham, with Bush calling only on &#8216;friendly&#8217; reporters who&#8217;d ask friendly questions. The corker was this scorching investigative query: &#8216;Mr. President, how is your faith guiding you?&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>We may as well save on terminology and call this Exhibit A in the case to prove Moyers is a propagandist and Shales is a lazy fool. I looked up the press conference and found that the first five questions consisted of such friendly prompts as:</p>
<p>&#8211;&#8221;What harm would it do to give Saddam a final ultimatum?&#8221; (Ron Fournier)<br />
&#8211;&#8221;If North Korea restarts their plutonium plant, will that change your thinking about how to handle this crisis, or are you resigned to North Korea becoming a nuclear power?&#8221; (Steve, no last name)<br />
&#8211;&#8221;If all these nations, all of them our normal allies, have access to the same intelligence information, why is it that they are reluctant to think that the threat is so real, so imminent that we need to move to the brink of war now?&#8221; (Dick, no last name)<br />
&#8211;&#8221;During the recent demonstrations, many of the protestors suggested that the U.S. was a threat to peace, which prompted you to wonder out loud why they didn&#8217;t see Saddam Hussein as a threat to peace. I wonder why you think so many people around the world take a different view of the threat that Saddam Hussein poses than you and your allies.&#8221; (Jim Angle)<br />
&#8211;&#8221;How would - sir, how would you answer your critics who say that they think this is somehow personal? As Senator Kennedy put it tonight, he said your fixation with Saddam Hussein is making the world a more dangerous place.&#8221; (John King)</p>
<p>Moyers is a liar, and if I may be so crude, Tom Shales licks his boot.
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		<title>by: junyo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I, for one, remember Phil fondly, even if his MSNBC show was dreck. When I was a kid, Phil simply WAS intelligent TV, putting on pretty balanced shows, arguing the strong and weak points of each side, maniacally charging down the aisles to give the mike to an audience member. Oprah killed him precisely because of that; she was a New Liberal. Not afraid to advocate or stack the deck in favor of their argument, since ultimately they're RIGHT. Phil's old style, in which you actually had to listen to other points of view, fell out of fashion. People tend to forget that Oprah was right in the muck with Geraldo and Morton Downey Jr until she made her money and went all highbrow. When Phil came back, unfortunately the lessoned he'd learned was that his show should be an unabashed infomercial for his personal politics. All the stuff that made Phil Phil was gone, and he was just another interchangable screeching banshee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, remember Phil fondly, even if his MSNBC show was dreck. When I was a kid, Phil simply WAS intelligent TV, putting on pretty balanced shows, arguing the strong and weak points of each side, maniacally charging down the aisles to give the mike to an audience member. Oprah killed him precisely because of that; she was a New Liberal. Not afraid to advocate or stack the deck in favor of their argument, since ultimately they&#8217;re RIGHT. Phil&#8217;s old style, in which you actually had to listen to other points of view, fell out of fashion. People tend to forget that Oprah was right in the muck with Geraldo and Morton Downey Jr until she made her money and went all highbrow. When Phil came back, unfortunately the lessoned he&#8217;d learned was that his show should be an unabashed infomercial for his personal politics. All the stuff that made Phil Phil was gone, and he was just another interchangable screeching banshee.
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		<title>by: The Sanity Inspector</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>TallDave:

I think they've admitted that things were a little unpleasant in SE Asia for some months after &quot;liberation&quot;.  Fortunately for the sake of their heads not exploding, they have Noam Chomsky to blame everything on the United States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TallDave:</p>
<p>I think they&#8217;ve admitted that things were a little unpleasant in SE Asia for some months after &#8220;liberation&#8221;.  Fortunately for the sake of their heads not exploding, they have Noam Chomsky to blame everything on the United States.
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		<title>by: John</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;PD said,
April 25, 2007 @ 4:50 pm 
Phil Donahue is one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, a truly heroic man. &quot;

ahem, Bruce, did you notice the initials of the person who posted this?  I would guess that Phil Donahue did not actually post it, just someone using his initials to mock him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;PD said,<br />
April 25, 2007 @ 4:50 pm<br />
Phil Donahue is one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, a truly heroic man. &#8221;</p>
<p>ahem, Bruce, did you notice the initials of the person who posted this?  I would guess that Phil Donahue did not actually post it, just someone using his initials to mock him.
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		<title>by: mishu</title>
		<link>http://www.extrememortman.com/cable-tv/send-moyers-guns-and-money-2/#comment-28442</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jeez, doesn't the left remember their argument against the war *because* Saddam would use WMD's againts advancing forces? When's Bill going to cover that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeez, doesn&#8217;t the left remember their argument against the war *because* Saddam would use WMD&#8217;s againts advancing forces? When&#8217;s Bill going to cover that?
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		<title>by: Laika's Last Woof</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Right, I'm sure if any of the passengers of United 93 were alive today they'd all tip their fire extinguishers in salute to the heroic Phil Donahue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, I&#8217;m sure if any of the passengers of United 93 were alive today they&#8217;d all tip their fire extinguishers in salute to the heroic Phil Donahue.
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		<title>by: bruce</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Phil Donahue is one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, a truly heroic man.&quot;

Astonishing comment. Simply astonishing.
Do you actually know the definition of the word &quot;hero&quot;? Could you please illustrate ANY way Donohue would come remotely close to the definition?

I don't think you can. I don't thing ANYONE can -  for there IS no way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Phil Donahue is one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, a truly heroic man.&#8221;</p>
<p>Astonishing comment. Simply astonishing.<br />
Do you actually know the definition of the word &#8220;hero&#8221;? Could you please illustrate ANY way Donohue would come remotely close to the definition?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you can. I don&#8217;t thing ANYONE can -  for there IS no way.
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		<title>by: PD</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Phil Donahue is one of the greatest Americans who ever lived, a truly heroic man.</description>
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