Comments on: From NeoCons to NeoCars http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/ Just When You Thought it was Safe to Take Politics Seriously Again Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:40:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.1 by: satyr9us http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70084 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:57:07 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70084 Buzz at 6:10, see the first two sentences of John Kelly's comment at 6:26. There is a range of colorful terms for those who are so eager to point out the folly of others that they wind up tripping on their own proverbial tongues. The term you direct toward Michael is one. Buzz at 6:10, see the first two sentences of John Kelly’s comment at 6:26.

There is a range of colorful terms for those who are so eager to point out the folly of others that they wind up tripping on their own proverbial tongues. The term you direct toward Michael is one.

]]> by: Jenny Moos http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70067 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:22:08 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70067 I've known Peter DeFazio since he was a Lane County commissioner. He's the operational definition of a demagogue. If you think his transportation views are out there, read what he wants to do about free trade. Sadly, no one has even filed to run against him this election cycle...the Eugene dominated 4th District gets what it deserves and those of us unfortunate to live in his district [the trees and mountains are really nice, just not the politics] have to put up with this nonsense daily! I’ve known Peter DeFazio since he was a Lane County commissioner. He’s the operational definition of a demagogue. If you think his transportation views are out there, read what he wants to do about free trade. Sadly, no one has even filed to run against him this election cycle…the Eugene dominated 4th District gets what it deserves and those of us unfortunate to live in his district [the trees and mountains are really nice, just not the politics] have to put up with this nonsense daily!

]]> by: Fraidy http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70049 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 14:16:54 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70049 I didn't even know that Tyler was Jewish. I didn’t even know that Tyler was Jewish.

]]> by: don meaker http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70037 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:35:25 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70037 One reason for congestion; city planners who support the wealthy by banning any housing near industry or commercial centers, or any industry or commercial centers near housing. This increases housing values, and hence property tax rates. This is a form of corruption, as it benefits the few real estate barons who build the new high value housing. Another reason for congestion; city planners divert money from gas taxes to bus and rail systems, rather than expanding and repairing roads. This is a form of theft. Gas taxes are passed with the idea of using the money to allieviate congestion, but then are diverted away from the programs which would actually benefit the payers. Such is fascism. Corrupt and evil. 'no land is beyond our claim when the land I seize is in the people's name, by evil men who rob and maim, but war is hell, I'm not to blame' One reason for congestion; city planners who support the wealthy by banning any housing near industry or commercial centers, or any industry or commercial centers near housing. This increases housing values, and hence property tax rates. This is a form of corruption, as it benefits the few real estate barons who build the new high value housing.

Another reason for congestion; city planners divert money from gas taxes to bus and rail systems, rather than expanding and repairing roads. This is a form of theft. Gas taxes are passed with the idea of using the money to allieviate congestion, but then are diverted away from the programs which would actually benefit the payers.

Such is fascism. Corrupt and evil.
‘no land is beyond our claim when the land I seize is in the people’s name, by evil men who rob and maim, but war is hell, I’m not to blame’

]]> by: Bandit http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70034 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:15:41 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70034 <b>“Tyler Duvall is a little pointy-headed neocon </b> Trolling for votes with the Kos crowd always involves the personal insults “Tyler Duvall is a little pointy-headed neocon

Trolling for votes with the Kos crowd always involves the personal insults

]]> by: Bobby B http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70011 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:21:30 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70011 "I look forward to the day that Minnesota’s new and horrifyingly expensive light rail project figures out a way for me to transport two dozen sheets of rock from the supplier to a job site, or better yet thirty bags of Quikrete." Minnesota's post-yuppie-greenies didn't build those tracks for the kind of ignorant, backward, sweaty, grubby, no doubt bigoted, certainly sexist redneck troglodytes who might be seen transporting sheetrock, or conduit, or (ugh!) even maybe forest-killing plastics(!) from some mega-neocon-immigrant-cheating CHAIN STORE out to their own quaint and trendy NewFauxCity enclaves! Those working toads of hate can find their own way about! “I look forward to the day that Minnesota’s new and horrifyingly expensive light rail project figures out a way for me to transport two dozen sheets of rock from the supplier to a job site, or better yet thirty bags of Quikrete.”

Minnesota’s post-yuppie-greenies didn’t build those tracks for the kind of ignorant, backward, sweaty, grubby, no doubt bigoted, certainly sexist redneck troglodytes who might be seen transporting sheetrock, or conduit, or (ugh!) even maybe forest-killing plastics(!) from some mega-neocon-immigrant-cheating CHAIN STORE out to their own quaint and trendy NewFauxCity enclaves! Those working toads of hate can find their own way about!

]]> by: Andrew V http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70009 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:56:56 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70009 Unfortunately Representative DeFazio's seat is the 4th Congressional district here in Oregon. So thanks to the voters of Eugene Mr. DeFazio has a job for life. Unfortunately Representative DeFazio’s seat is the 4th Congressional district here in Oregon. So thanks to the voters of Eugene Mr. DeFazio has a job for life.

]]> by: schmuck http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70008 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:21:51 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70008 You think you got it bad? I'm a conservative in Oregon. Tomorrow DeFazio is going to visit my workplace. Grrr. I don't think he would if he knew the regard with which most people there hold him. But I promised the boss that I'd just smile and bite my tongue. The boss has to bite his too. I told you that DeFazio is loved here. DeFazio and I last had harsh words with each other on Lars Larsen's radio show when he was touring the state lobbying for State ownership of PG&#38;E. He is a died in the wool collectivist and goes berserk when anyone points that out to him. His answer for every problem consists of a new bureaucracy and a tax increase. On "the rich" of course. You think you got it bad? I’m a conservative in Oregon. Tomorrow DeFazio is going to visit my workplace. Grrr.

I don’t think he would if he knew the regard with which most people there hold him.

But I promised the boss that I’d just smile and bite my tongue. The boss has to bite his too. I told you that DeFazio is loved here.

DeFazio and I last had harsh words with each other on Lars Larsen’s radio show when he was touring the state lobbying for State ownership of PG&E. He is a died in the wool collectivist and goes berserk when anyone points that out to him. His answer for every problem consists of a new bureaucracy and a tax increase. On “the rich” of course.

]]> by: buddy larsen http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70002 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:49:31 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-70002 A lot of those Neocars look just like Fords, Chevys, Toyotas, etc. You have to keep a sharp eye out to recognize 'em. A lot of those Neocars look just like Fords, Chevys, Toyotas, etc. You have to keep a sharp eye out to recognize ‘em.

]]> by: Pillbox http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69995 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:09:48 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69995 I look forward to the day that Minnesota's new and horrifyingly expensive light rail project figures out a way for me to transport two dozen sheets of rock from the supplier to a job site, or better yet thirty bags of Quikrete. As it stands, the light is really only good for one thing: giving Bloomington burglars a quick ride back home to Minneapolis. I look forward to the day that Minnesota’s new and horrifyingly expensive light rail project figures out a way for me to transport two dozen sheets of rock from the supplier to a job site, or better yet thirty bags of Quikrete.

As it stands, the light is really only good for one thing: giving Bloomington burglars a quick ride back home to Minneapolis.

]]> by: TallDave http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69989 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:46:02 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69989 Great little video on this from Drew Carey. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsVMAP0zVgo Believe it or not, we could have virtually no congestion at no cost to the taxpayer. A lot of people are willing to pay $10 to get home an hour earlier. A lot of private companies are willing to build the roads to do it. Great little video on this from Drew Carey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsVMAP0zVgo

Believe it or not, we could have virtually no congestion at no cost to the taxpayer. A lot of people are willing to pay $10 to get home an hour earlier. A lot of private companies are willing to build the roads to do it.

]]> by: Owen Love http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69988 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:45:03 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69988 While he might not have meant to, rockdalian made a good case for toll roads. He noted that road use taxes are often used for purposes not originally intended. While he might not have meant to, rockdalian made a good case for toll roads. He noted that road use taxes are often used for purposes not originally intended.

]]> by: rockdalian http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69979 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:11:16 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69979 Just a word about tolls from a trucker. If you people don't believe you are not paying the tolls in the goods you purchase, then you don't shop. An average cost in tolls, from Chicago to New York, is approximately 150 dollars. Of course this is passed along in higher costs to consumers. Nor does paying tolls excuse the trucks from paying motor fuel taxes that are supposed to pay for the roads to begin with. Just to keep this short folks, tax money that is collected to fund roads, on the Fed level, can be used for myriad projects, including bike trails. Paid road use taxes should be used on roads. And, if you purchased it in a store, a truck got it there. Just a word about tolls from a trucker. If you people don’t believe you are not paying the tolls in the goods you purchase, then you don’t shop.
An average cost in tolls, from Chicago to New York, is approximately 150 dollars. Of course this is passed along in higher costs to consumers.
Nor does paying tolls excuse the trucks from paying motor fuel taxes that are supposed to pay for the roads to begin with.
Just to keep this short folks, tax money that is collected to fund roads, on the Fed level, can be used for myriad projects, including bike trails.
Paid road use taxes should be used on roads.
And, if you purchased it in a store, a truck got it there.

]]> by: joated http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69977 Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:01:07 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69977 Both Governor Rendell of PA and Governor Corzine of New Jersey have played about with the idea of privatizing highways already collecting tolls or of tolling highways that do not yet have them. But don't tell DeFazio that. They (Rendell and Corzine) are both Democrats and that might make DeFazio's head spin. Both Governor Rendell of PA and Governor Corzine of New Jersey have played about with the idea of privatizing highways already collecting tolls or of tolling highways that do not yet have them. But don’t tell DeFazio that. They (Rendell and Corzine) are both Democrats and that might make DeFazio’s head spin.

]]> by: MarkJ http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69975 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:53:43 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69975 "Hmm. The Portland not-too-smart growth gang has made the city completely unaffordable by real people, so I guess that there are no traffic issues there." Indeed. I think the info on this link pretty much says it all: http://www.movingtoportland.net/homes_price.htm “Hmm. The Portland not-too-smart growth gang has made the city completely unaffordable by real people, so I guess that there are no traffic issues there.”

Indeed. I think the info on this link pretty much says it all:

http://www.movingtoportland.net/homes_price.htm

]]> by: Kurmudge http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69972 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:34:48 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69972 Hmm. The Prtland not-too-smart growth gang has made the city completely unaffordable by real people, so I guess that there are no traffic issues there. Oh, I forgot. The Little People have to drive in to town to tend the gardens and clean the houses of the egalitarian lefties who can still afford to live there (that would be primarily politicians and trust fund babies). Hmm. The Prtland not-too-smart growth gang has made the city completely unaffordable by real people, so I guess that there are no traffic issues there.

Oh, I forgot. The Little People have to drive in to town to tend the gardens and clean the houses of the egalitarian lefties who can still afford to live there (that would be primarily politicians and trust fund babies).

]]> by: eddieoknow http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69971 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:30:30 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69971 If toll roads are the only way we get more freeways so be it...It is better than adding carpool lanes that increase lane capaicity by 25% and that only about 5% of the motorists can use. And those are the federal, state, or city employees who get a free van and another subsidy to ride in together or soccer moms taking their kids to school.. At least toll roads are an alternative to the 95% of us who subsidize public transit for the 5% who actually ride it....Did you know that the fare money that is paid by the riding public only pays for 15-20% of the total costs of the public bus or rail trip?..The taxpayers subsidize the rest of it..What other transportation model would survive if that was how little the public thought of the service that they are only willing to pay 15-20% of the actual cost to operate it? And people wonder how road rage starts... If toll roads are the only way we get more freeways so be it…It is better than adding carpool lanes that increase lane capaicity by 25% and that only about 5% of the motorists can use. And those are the federal, state, or city employees who get a free van and another subsidy to ride in together or soccer moms taking their kids to school..

At least toll roads are an alternative to the 95% of us who subsidize public transit for the 5% who actually ride it….Did you know that the fare money that is paid by the riding public only pays for 15-20% of the total costs of the public bus or rail trip?..The taxpayers subsidize the rest of it..What other transportation model would survive if that was how little the public thought of the service that they are only willing to pay 15-20% of the actual cost to operate it?

And people wonder how road rage starts…

]]> by: Steven http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69964 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:44:33 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69964 After reading the article, I have to say this approach sounds terrible. On the other hand, they'd probably get a lot less flak from the left if they threw the word 'carbon' into their congestion-pricing proposals. After reading the article, I have to say this approach sounds terrible. On the other hand, they’d probably get a lot less flak from the left if they threw the word ‘carbon’ into their congestion-pricing proposals.

]]> by: Narniaman http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69963 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:43:29 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69963 I thought "Neo-Con" was an indirect way of saying "Jewish Conservative". As such, it needed to be stated with an appropriate sneer. So what the good lib-Demo Fazio was stating was:' “Tyler Duvall is a little pointy-headed Jew with grand ideas about the future of transportation, and they all involve tolling,” DeFazio said. “He’s bright, young, energetic — just totally wrong, and has a bizarre, Jewish view of transportation.” I thought “Neo-Con” was an indirect way of saying “Jewish Conservative”. As such, it needed to be stated with an appropriate sneer.

So what the good lib-Demo Fazio was stating was:’

“Tyler Duvall is a little pointy-headed Jew with grand ideas about the future of transportation, and they all involve tolling,” DeFazio said. “He’s bright, young, energetic — just totally wrong, and has a bizarre, Jewish view of transportation.”

]]> by: Brian Lutz http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69960 Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:35:53 +0000 http://www.extrememortman.com/bush-administration/from-neocons-to-neocars/#comment-69960 Anyone know where we can get some of these neocons to run transportation policy for us over here? All we seem to have around here is utopian socailist types who think they're doing the public a favor by letting the roads crumble while they build billion-dollar light rail lines that'll serve at most 5% of the population of the area on a good day. Anyone know where we can get some of these neocons to run transportation policy for us over here? All we seem to have around here is utopian socailist types who think they’re doing the public a favor by letting the roads crumble while they build billion-dollar light rail lines that’ll serve at most 5% of the population of the area on a good day.

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